Parking issues around Barnsley hospital

24 01 2013
 

Barnsley Council’s Physical Sustainability Scrutiny Commission met on Thursday 24th January to discuss parking issues around Barnsley hospital. This follows the request from Old Town’s Coun Penny Lofts for a ‘call for action‘ to investigate this issue. Prior to the meeting, members of the commission had paid a visit to the area on 20th December to see the problem first hand.

Coun Lofts reported: “Residents in these areas are predominantly elderly and vulnerable.  The incidents of road rage type confrontations between drivers and residents are increasing.

“Essential services such as waste collection and access for emergency services are being denied to residents.”

Witnesses

Several witnesses were called to discuss the issue. The highways engineers confirmed that residential parking schemes would not be an answer as austerity prevented any future schemes.  A typical scheme would cost approximately £100K.  Residents’ parking schemes had worked well but had led to parking migration. [If Warner Road were to become residents only, Penine Way would probably inherit hospital parking].

An assistant director from the hospital trust informed the meeting that the it had invested £2M in additional parking spaces since 2007. Compared with similar-sized trusts, it has a higher percentage of parking spaces. Any further expenditure on car parking would take money away from direct patient care. She stated that 3000 staff worked at the hospital, 1400 of these had permits for parking on site in 580 staff spaces.

The local police inspector reported that, in 2012, the police had dealt with 46 incidents related to parking in the area. 37 of the incidents were for inconsiderate parking. Six offences of criminal damage were reported. However, officers received regular complaints from residents. However, she suspected that lots went unreported.

Councillors’ discussion

The councillors then discussed the issue. It was suggested that the various geographical areas around the hospital might have different groups parking there. On Summer Lane, parking problems might be caused by parents dropping off children at the schools or by employees from the council offices.  It wasn’t necessarily hospital workers who were responsible. [The four local residents present were pretty certain that the parking on Warner Road, West Road and Cresswell Street was predominatly hospital workers].

Coun Davies suggested that the commission currently lacked sufficient data to make a decision.  He proposed that data be collected to determine the extent of the problem. He felt that this would not be too resource-heavy to collect as the community in Pogmoor might pitch in to help. Another councillor summed this up – We need to know the size of the problem and know who to target.

There was discussion as to why the previous minibus service to hospital had ceased.

A couple of councillors came at the problem from a different perspective. One wondered whether those residents without a car might join a rent-a-drive scheme and allow a hospital worker to park at their house. The other mentioned a way that the private sector might contribute to the issue.  The former Remploy site on West Road has been left  idle for a period of years.  Could this land-owner make this land available temporarily for parking?

Resulting action

The public were asked to leave after the discussion and the commission’s decision was made in-camera.

Coun Davies emailed on 25th January to inform us that the decision was to collect data to understand the size of the parking issue.

Coun Davies writes;

“The aim IS to gather evidence and to establish both the breadth and depth of the issues, so can I urge residents to send me (or indeed you, the PARA or whoever you feel appropriate), any details of any incidents as they occur (with photos if possible). …..

My aim is to generate an accurate picture of the problems and only THEN, go back to the Scrutiny Commission with form proposals that address these issues. It became clear yesterday that there are many anecdotes flying around, but not much data.

As always I’m happy to support the residents in any way they wish, and my suggestions are merely for their consideration. Please advise on your/their preferred way forward.”

What do you think should happen?

Should the residents’ parking scheme be extended even though this might simply move the parking problem to adjacent streets?

Do we know the extent of the problem? Do we know whether it is hospital workers, hospital visitors or employees of other firms who park in our streets?

Would you be willing to let a hospital worker park outside your house to spread hospital parking through our area?

Please let us know your views.  Just add your comments to this page.

Concluding remarks

This was an interesting meeting.  It discussed a real issue affecting our community.  The hospital witness told us that 1600 of the people who work in the hospital do not have an on-site parking space.  Perhaps the hospital could survey a sample of these to determine how many of them drive to work and are parking in the locality.  It is possible that a combination of actions will be required to reduce the parking issue.

We all realise that austerity measures make it difficult for the council to extend the residents’ scheme or the hospital to build a new staff car park in Pogmoor or elsewhere.  Would a more community-based solution provide the answer?  The current problem is caused by a concentration of parking in a few streets in the area.  Can we encourage the hospital workers to spread out over a slightly wider area?  If we could match hospital staff wanting a day-time car space in Pogmoor/Gawber with those residents who are willing to allow  a named nurse, doctor or other hospital worker to park outside their house, would this improve our relationships with hospital and clear up the current parking issue.


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23 responses

24 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @BAInapector; “Rent-a-drive was one suggestion made today to ease congestion and parking disputes around BDGH. Would this work? Is it already taking place?

26 01 2013
Raymond Brown

redsident parking works,pogmoor,queens drive,just walk round these palaces and see the proof.

24 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @BAInspector: “I agree with cllr Davies. We need to know the needs of the parkers before we can solve the problem.”

26 01 2013
Raymond Brown

the answer is some people will not pay!! workers and patients alike and have no concideration for other people.

24 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @cllrmart; “the hosp staff parking issue could have been solved yrs ago with a park & ride scheme from Redbrook.”

24 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

@TonyPeterWright: [the matching scheme] is a great idea. Let me know if you need me to put you in touch with unions up there to participate in discussions. Good work.”

25 01 2013
Raymond Brown

i have been a resident in Queens Ave for over 13 years, it like living in a car park, hospital workers and patients start parking from 6 45am on though the day, all so left out side residents houses when working nights, all they can say is i pay my road tax,that is not the answer! consideration is! residents parking will cure it, the hospital made this problem but sweep under the carpet,get the hospital and council to work together,the hospital demolished the psychological block grassed it why not let workers use it? make streets resident parking which are affected and ask the the people that live there.

25 01 2013
Chris Wood

Collect more data? Your having a laugh.

These issues have been raised and documented on numerous occasions. Local residents have wrote to the council direct raising corners, and issues have discussed at previous meetings. Can these letters be retrieved from the councils archives?

You only have to walk round the streets to see what the issues are. It is the same people/issues day in day out, we know who they are and where they are. Why not target these direct instead of gathering further data /MI?

It is important we move quickly before their is a serious accident on our streets.

26 01 2013
Ian

It’s a bit like the Irish joke – I wouldn’t start from here. Barnsley hospital is a victim of progress, along with the owners of terraced housing built before every resident had a car. The only sensible, long term solution would surely be to move the hospital to a location where it can cater for current demand and also be future-proofed.

It may not be the same now, but about ten years ago I had to visit Dewsbury hospital a few times. This newish hospital is on a much larger plot of land, with plenty of parking. At the time, if you were able/prepared to walk a bit, you could even park for free. It might be interesting, even useful, to see how they’re coping ten years on. A quick check on Google Earth shows that Barnsley’s scope for expansion is pretty limited.

I’m dreaming, of course.

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Received via email;
“The only comment I will make re the parking problem is how much better it is for residents when permits are in place,with the one hour parking allowance for non permit holders, we in Warner Avenue had years of parking problems,caused by Hospital workers ,recognisable by their uniforms in many cases,I truly believe that they are the in the majority.”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

From Barnsley 55+ online (http://barnsley55.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-hospital-for-barnsley.html);

“NEW HOSPITAL FOR BARNSLEY?
With the growing complaints from residents of Pogmoor would it be better if a new Hospital was built accommodating a state of the Art Maternity Unit, Palliative Care Unit, Accident and Emergency and a ALL Specialisms in the East of Barnsley so that a rationalisation of services could resolve many ongoing problems. That is car parking, poor public transport, maternity services upgrade, money spent on charitable palliative care and Ambulance services.

This could be funded by inviting a tender with a view to leaving Estates owned by the hospital Kendray, Mount Vernon, Hospice etc. available to the Hospital builder to acquire for property development similar to how the Schools were taken out of the community. This could also solve issues with Rotherham hospital closure negotiations.”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @EddieGouthwaite;

“If Residents of @Pogmoorara don’t want Barnsley #Hospital ask a builder if they want land for #Houses then build a new one.”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @EddieGouthwaite;

“@pogmoorara It would seem after 70 years of Labour they should have built a NEW Hospital on the #Periphery of Barnsley instead of Schools.”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Tweet from @EddieGouthwaite;

“Politically motivated POGMOOR residents hold Barnsley people to ransom NEW HOSPITAL FOR BARNSLEY?”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Interesting to see that this is an issue in Kingstone ward too. Here’s a tweet from @KingstoneLabour;

“Councillors walk about today in Shawlands area, main issues car parking & inconsiderate drivers . Good talking to some great residents.”

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

I thought it might be useful to take stock of the comments made so far. I’ve grouped them into three categories; current position, data collection and candidate solutions.

Current position;
The residents’ parking schemes work (2 comments)
Hospital workers and visitors use Queen’s Avenue (1 comment)
Hospital workers used Warner Avenue before the introduction of residents’ parking (1 comment)

Data collection
There is a need to understand the needs of parkers (1 comment)
Target the parkers rather than gathering more data (1 comment)
Use the data that has been collected by the council (1 comment)

Candidate solutions
People won’t pay (1 comment)
The hospital and the council need to work together to solve this issue (1 comment)
How about re-introducing park & ride for hospital workers (1 comment)
The ‘matching scheme (mentioned above) is a good idea (1 comment)
Should the hospital relocate? (2 comments)

26 01 2013
E Gouthwaite (@EddieGouthwaite)

The comments above had links to other websites associated with the story which could add to the debate I also reserve the right to alter or remove my comments on the original Blog here http://barnsley55.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-hospital-for-barnsley.html

26 01 2013
E Gouthwaite (@EddieGouthwaite)

One of the reasons is the Council are not providing Short Term parking Centrally or at the Hospital for people with less than an hour of parking required with an increase review in April 2013 http://www.barnsley.gov.uk/news-and-events/news/2012/december/car-parking-charges-to-increase/

Which in my opinion would alleviate many residents problems.

The word AUSTERITY was used many times by the Labour Councillors in the debate. Not one word about efficiency.

26 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Just read a story on the We are Barnsley site which showed that even Barnsley football club added to the parking problem near the hospital just before Christmas when they visited the Children’s ward to hand out gifts..

http://www.wearebarnsley.com/news/article/1588/council-respond-after-reds-squad-parking-fine

27 01 2013
E Gouthwaite (@EddieGouthwaite)

Looking at the Lewisham Hospital in London a highly populated area similar to Barnsley Hospital it was interesting to look at how they deal with the problem of vehicle parking. https://www.parkatmyhouse.com/uk/driveways/lewisham/s/5-mins-from-lewisham-station-1/
People in that locality do not want it to close because of ‘Parking’ problems rather other problems http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21196758
The other option is as I said re-Location as here state of the Art Hospital built 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18443335

27 01 2013
Pogmoor Area Residents' Association

Email received from a resident;

“As reported previously:
The majority of parking on Warner Road is by hospital staff and doctors. When student doctors are on placement at the hospital the numbers increase too .
Warner Road narrows just below Malvern Close, ie the rear of Cheviot Walk, this means that double parking is hazardous. It impedes access to drive ways by inhibiting the turning circle needed on entering and leaving properties. Also necessary services and deliveries are often unable to access properties to go about their daily business.
There are 2 hospital workers , one being a doctor who have been verbally aggressive to residents!!
Another serious matter is that double parking and even single parking at the junction of Pogmoor Road and Warner road means that any vehicle leaving or entering Warner Road is in the middle of the road at the junction. This is a hazard and is likely to be an accident waiting to happen at traffic entering Warner Road from Pogmoor Road cannot view the vehicles clearly.
I have had several near misses both exiting Warner Road and entering it from Pogmoor Road. One day there is going to be a nasty accident as traffic on Pogmoor Road is still breaking speed restrictions and cannot slow down sufficiently to allow safe access to Warner Road.
SUGGESTION:
1. Double yellow lines should be extended on both corners of Warner Road at the point of access to Pogmoor Road to prevent parking there.
2. Double yellow lines on Warner Road where the road narrows on both corners of Warner Road and Malvern Close to prevent parking.
3. Single yellow line for restricted time parking on Warner Road on the left hand side as you go up Warner Road towards Pennines Way. Restricting needs to be from Malvern Close to Near Pennines Way.
These suggestions are only an alternative to residents only parking which would be preferable!!
Having lived on Warner Road for more than 40 years, the situation has become intolerable at times.
Pavement access is denied or at best restricted by inconsiderate parking. Prams and pushchair access and even pedestrian access being denied on many occasions.
Visibility exiting driveways in our cars is very restricted due to parked vehicles.
Warner Road is also a ‘rat run’ by people cutting through to Intake lane and Gawber Road so increasing traffic and the speed at which they drive being unacceptable.
The answer is not in allowing named hospital staff to park in front of our houses, but to allow us ,the rate payers ,to have an equal opportunity to have Residents Parking only on Warner Road.
We voted for residents parking some years ago , sent off our payments for this to the council and waited for it to happen. It didn’t as some very short sighted residents on Warner Road did NOT vote in favour. Their assumption was that they had driveways on their property and public parking wouldn’t interfere with their daily lives or the well being and safety of their families. How wrong could they be! As other roads in our area accepted residents parking only we became besieged by public parking. Our proximity to the hospital being the main culprit . The creation of extra hospital parking has not alleviated the situation !
I wish the Council would listen and take heed. Will it take a serious accident or fatality on our road or at the junction with Pogmoor Road to stir them into action!”

21 08 2013
Ian Marsh

Having recently moved to Gawber Road (Sackville Street end) from Western Street (where Residents Parking is in place and clearly working), I find this whole issue extremely frustrating. As Raymond says, you can forget about parking anywhere near your own house during the day.
I help care for some disabled friends of mine but, I’m unable to bring them to my house due to the lack of parking. It’s not just Hospital Staff though. I see people parking up and walking towards town (I imagine some of them work in Gateway Plaza).

Austerity seems like a convenient excuse, especially considering the substantial amount of money that has recently been spent on the Town Hall improvements. I’m all for civic pride but, not at the expense of affecting the quality of life of probably hundreds of residents.

Something needs to be done and the sooner the better.